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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear Pan yong qing,
I need order 2 test expanded (price factory 2)
Ruby 5# (+ my materials > additional ball and money quantity)
Diameter price quantity
1.0mm 0.015 1000
1.5mm 0.034 1000
2.0 mm 0.062 1000
2.5mm 0.099 1000
3.0mm 0.144 1000
3.5mm 0.199 1000
4.0mm 0.262 6000 (+ orientation hole)
4.5mm 0.335 1000 (+ orientation hole)
5.0mm 0.418 1000 (+ orientation hole)
5.5mm 0.509 1000 (+ orientation hole)
6.0mm 0.610 1000 (+ orientation hole)
6.5mm 0.721 1000 (+ orientation hole)
7.0mm 0.841 1000 (+ orientation hole)
7.5mm 0.971 1000 (+ orientation hole)
8.0mm 1.110 1000 (+ orientation hole)
8.5mm 1.269 1000 (+ orientation hole)
9.0mm (9.000, 8.997...) 1.450 1000 (+ orientation hole)
9.5mm (9.500, 9,497...) 1.658 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 17 000
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 6000
drilling 0.5*4.5mm 0.377 1000
drilling 0.6*5mm 0.418 1000
drilling 0.6*5.5mm 0.460 1000
drilling 0.7*6mm 0.502 1000
drilling 0.7*6.5mm 0.544 1000
drilling 0.8*7mm 0.586 1000
drilling 0.8*7.5mm 0.628 1000
drilling 0.9*8mm 0.669 1000
drilling 0.9*8.5mm 0.711 1000
drilling 1*9mm 0.753 1000
drilling 1*9.5mm 0.820 1000
Need Proforma Invoice
Warm wishes,
Your AK

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear A. K
  Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
  No other companies have such ability to do high quality ruby and other corumdum balls at such low prices. Please trust this.
  As to the orienation prices, if any other companies have ability to find the orienation point and mark it, it is a good thing for us. We can do all the balls well and let your other company to find out the orienation point and mark it and we will drill them all. It is more convenient for us.
  I don't consider their prices for 5# ruby balls, it can't do high quality ruby balls at all.
  I don't want to do any rubbish products for my customers. I must produce and give my customers high quality!
  9.5mm and 9mm orienation is richer than 4mm. It is right. Pleae trut this.
  Please trust me, our prices are reasonable and competitive for high quality. After all, quality is the most thing. Please understand this.
  I have checked the prices in the PI, now they are all reasonable and correct. Please trust this.

  Best regards!
  Pan yong qing

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear A. K
Thank you for your email.
I reply as the following:

Dear Pan yong qing,
I need order 2 test expanded (price factory 2)
Do you only need the #5 ruby balls now? Please confirm this.
Ruby 5# (+ my materials > additional ball and money quantity)
Do you mean the following #5 ruby balls with your own materials? If so, I can consider to do for you. But your target prices are really a little low. haha
Diameter price quantity
1.0mm 0.015 1000
1.5mm 0.034 1000
2.0 mm 0.062 1000
2.5mm 0.099 1000
3.0mm 0.144 1000
3.5mm 0.199 1000
4.0mm 0.262 6000 (+ orientation hole)
4.5mm 0.335 1000 (+ orientation hole)
5.0mm 0.418 1000 (+ orientation hole)
5.5mm 0.509 1000 (+ orientation hole)
6.0mm 0.610 1000 (+ orientation hole)
6.5mm 0.721 1000 (+ orientation hole)
7.0mm 0.841 1000 (+ orientation hole)
7.5mm 0.971 1000 (+ orientation hole)
8.0mm 1.110 1000 (+ orientation hole)
8.5mm 1.269 1000 (+ orientation hole)
9.0mm (9.000, 8.997...) 1.450 1000 (+ orientation hole)
9.5mm (9.500, 9,497...) 1.658 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 17 000
Orientation 0.25 per ball is really too low. If you can find out the orientation and mark it, it will be better. haha
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 6000
drilling 0.5*4.5mm 0.377 1000
drilling 0.6*5mm 0.418 1000
drilling 0.6*5.5mm 0.460 1000
drilling 0.7*6mm 0.502 1000
drilling 0.7*6.5mm 0.544 1000
drilling 0.8*7mm 0.586 1000
drilling 0.8*7.5mm 0.628 1000
drilling 0.9*8mm 0.669 1000
drilling 0.9*8.5mm 0.711 1000
drilling 1*9mm 0.753 1000
drilling 1*9.5mm 0.820 1000
As to the drilling holes, it is really a little low. But I can consider to drill them for you because its quantity is larger now. haha
Need Proforma Invoice
Ok, if you agree my above reply and you and I get agreement, I will make a PI soon.
In order to make things clearly, please reply my above questions clearly.
  In a word, if to do the #5 ruby balls with your material and you can find out the orienation by yourself, we can do the balls and drill for you at your target prices without much problem. Though your target prices are really low. But you are my old customer and I prefer to do things for you heart and soul.

Warm wishes,
Your AK

Dear Pan yong qing,
> Do you only need the #5 ruby balls now? Please confirm this.
No. I need all colors.
I have good money after the beginning of sales of my products. Then I can pay at least 2 times more than the price of factory 2.
Today I have to choose factory where the material is cheaper and the quality is the same.
I would like it to be Your factory.
> Do you mean the following #5 ruby balls with your own materials?
No. Ruby #5 - Your material and your prices for ruby balls:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6709/158289418.c4/0_b630c_234563ce_orig.png
Factory 2 make balls with 1 micron asphericity and same price.
Before the start of the sales of my products I can't pay more. If You can offer at this price ruby balls with 1 micron asphericity, then I will buy from You. If no, than from factory 2.
> Orientation 0.25 per ball is really too low. If you can find out the orientation and mark it, it will be better. haha
Factory 2 will make orientation and mark. If You want, You will make. Time for orientation and mark = 1 min (max!).
> As to the drilling holes, it is really a little low. But I can consider to drill them for you because its quantity is larger now. haha
- Thank You! In order 3 price may be increased.
> Ok, if you agree my above reply and you and I get agreement, I will make a PI soon.
In order to make things clearly, please reply my above questions clearly.
In a word, if to do the #5 ruby balls with your material and you can find out the orienation by yourself, we can do the balls and drill for you at your target prices without much problem. Though your target prices are really low. But you are my old customer and I prefer to do things for you heart and soul.
- If Your material will be the normal price, the balls of all colors will make from Your material. While Your Rubin more expensive than ruby balls from factory 2 smile
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ruby ball (#5 color) 2.0 mm $0.062 1000pcs (Factory 2)
Foto:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9488/158289418.fa/0_c928e_bd57b770_L.jpg
Original: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9488/158 … 0_orig.jpg
This ruby balls have aspherity <1 micron. (good quality, good price)
Your material (ruby #5) is more expensive these balls. What's the quality of the balls? smile
5.652-3.956=1.696 - Your price for ruby material (material only!) #5 9.5mm.
Factory 2 make ruby ball (aspherity <1 micron + material) 9.5mm #5 price 1.658.
The price of your Rubin (material only!) more than the price of their ruby balls smile
You need to adjust rates for Your materials of all colors.
Green corundum I buy here and I'll send You: http://www.manchesterminerals.co.uk/aca … 1_275.html
This prices - real prices from Factory 2:
Ruby 5#
Diameter price quantity
1.0mm 0.015 1000
1.5mm 0.034 1000
2.0 mm 0.062 1000
2.5mm 0.099 1000
3.0mm 0.144 1000
3.5mm 0.199 1000
4.0mm 0.262 6000 (+ orientation hole)
4.5mm 0.335 1000 (+ orientation hole)
5.0mm 0.418 1000 (+ orientation hole)
5.5mm 0.509 1000 (+ orientation hole)
6.0mm 0.610 1000 (+ orientation hole)
6.5mm 0.721 1000 (+ orientation hole)
7.0mm 0.841 1000 (+ orientation hole)
7.5mm 0.971 1000 (+ orientation hole)
8.0mm 1.110 1000 (+ orientation hole)
8.5mm 1.269 1000 (+ orientation hole)
9.0mm (9.000, 8.997...) 1.450 1000 (+ orientation hole)
9.5mm (9.500, 9,497...) 1.658 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 17 000
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 6000
drilling 0.5*4.5mm 0.377 1000
drilling 0.6*5mm 0.418 1000
drilling 0.6*5.5mm 0.460 1000
drilling 0.7*6mm 0.502 1000
drilling 0.7*6.5mm 0.544 1000
drilling 0.8*7mm 0.586 1000
drilling 0.8*7.5mm 0.628 1000
drilling 0.9*8mm 0.669 1000
drilling 0.9*8.5mm 0.711 1000
drilling 1*9mm 0.753 1000
drilling 1*9.5mm 0.820 1000
Balls of other colors should do. If Your materials will be the same rates as at factory 2, then you need to do from your materials.
Warm wishes,
Your AK

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear A. K
  Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
  Ok, I accept all your target prices now because you can give us larger quantity thant the first order 1.
  As to the ball quality, we can do all the balls within 1 micron asphericity completely.
  And, we have ability to drill the holes much better than any of the other companies. And for this order 2, I will try my best to drill the holes better than the last order 1. I can guarantee this clearly.
  But, with your above target prices, I hope to do all the sizes from 1mm to 9.5mm.
  The larger quantity, the more convenient for us to produce. I hope you know this and won't divide the quantity to other companies.
  Once you cooperate with our factory, quality will be seriously guaranteed: within 1 micron asphericity, good shine of the balls and good hole for the balls.
  One questions, have you changed the quantity of the other colors? If so, you please tell us the quatity of the other colors soon so that I can count out the total costs of the order 2 soon. OK?
  Best regards!
  Pan yong qing

Dear Pan yong qing,
Thank You!
> One questions, have you changed the quantity of the other colors?
I need Your prices ($/kg):
Rubin -
LEUCO-sapphire -
Dark blue sapphire -
Orange corundum -
Yellow corundum -
#46 - corundum -
Green corundum - $3950/1kg
I will increase the number of colored balls as financial capacity. The more money we raise to the beginning of the order 2, the more you will be colored balls. I can't understand Your color balls prices now smile
For example, Your blue sapphire more expensive than us green corundum smile
Warm wishes,
Your AK

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9759/158289418.fa/0_c933d_292a8c79_orig.png

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear A. K
  Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
  I write the corundum material prices at the bottom of the excel pricelist. Please take your time to have a check.
  But please note, the prices are only aproximate prices. In order to choose good piece of corundum material, sometimes we have to pay higher. Do you know this?
  "Your blue sapphire more expensive than us green corundum smile" This is because other colors, including dark blue use our material. But the green corundum use your own material. Do you understand this?
  That is to say, green corundum balls we only produce for you with your material, we don't have dark green corundum material now. Do you know now?
  All my prices are bottom factory prices absolutely now.
  With the present prices, small quantity will not convenient to produce any more and this is why I need you give us all the sizes and colors.
  Ok, you can increase the color balls.
  Please note, our present prices are lowest bottom prices now.
  You can give us as large quantity as possible. If quantity is too small, it is really inconvient to produce now.
  If there is no problem any more, you please tell us the exact sizes and quantity of all the balls so that I can count out the total costs in the PI soon.
  Best regards!
  Pan yong qing

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9811/158289418.fa/0_c9343_44934117_orig.png

Dear Pan yong qing,
ruby #5 $1.658 - $1.348 =  $0.31 - material price for 9.5mm ball
orange, yellow corundum $6.403 - $1.348 = $5.055 - material price for 9.5mm ball
$5.055 / $0.31 = 16.31
Your yellow/orange corundum 16 times more expensive than Your ruby?!
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Real material prices:
2. White corundum and #5 corundum material: about 120 USD/kg
5. Orange and yellow corundum: about 468 USD/kg
$468 / $120 = 3.9
Correction ball price: 0.31*3.9=1.209 (material price)
1.209 + 1.348 = 2.557 - real price for orange/yellow corundum ball 9.5 mm
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4. Dark blue corundum: about 418 USD/kg
418/120=3.48
Correction ball price: 0.31*3.48=1.079 (material price)
1.079+1.348 = 2.427 - real price for dark blue sapphire ball 9.5 mm
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Green corundum.
3950 / 120 = 32.92
32.92 * 0.31 = 10.2 (material for 9.5 mm ball)
10.2 + 1.348 = 11.55 - green corundum ball (9.5mm) price
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4mm
0.262-0.210=0.052 - material rubin #5
0.052*32.92=1.712 - material green corund
1.712+0.210=1.922 -  green corundum ball (4mm) price
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Dark blue sapphire 4mm
0.052*3.48=0.181 - material dark blue corundum
0.181+0.210 = 0.391 dark blue sapphire ball (4mm) price
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Orange/yellow corundum 4mm
0.052*3.9=0.203 - material orange/yellow corundum
0.203+0.210 = 0.413 orange/yellow corundum ball (4mm) price
Correct prices: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5009/158 … 5_orig.png
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Diameter price quantity (ruby #5)
1.0mm 0.015 1000
1.5mm 0.034 1000
2.0 mm 0.062 1000
2.5mm 0.099 1000
3.0mm 0.144 1000
3.5mm 0.199 1000
4.0mm 0.262 6000 (+ orientation hole)
4.5mm 0.335 1000 (+ orientation hole)
5.0mm 0.418 1000 (+ orientation hole)
5.5mm 0.509 1000 (+ orientation hole)
6.0mm 0.610 1000 (+ orientation hole)
6.5mm 0.721 1000 (+ orientation hole)
7.0mm 0.841 1000 (+ orientation hole)
7.5mm 0.971 1000 (+ orientation hole)
8.0mm 1.110 1000 (+ orientation hole)
8.5mm 1.269 1000 (+ orientation hole)
9.0mm (9.000, 8.997...) 1.450 1000 (+ orientation hole)
9.5mm (9.500, 9,497...) 1.658 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 17 000
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 6000
drilling 0.5*4.5mm 0.377 1000
drilling 0.6*5mm 0.418 1000
drilling 0.6*5.5mm 0.460 1000
drilling 0.7*6mm 0.502 1000
drilling 0.7*6.5mm 0.544 1000
drilling 0.8*7mm 0.586 1000
drilling 0.8*7.5mm 0.628 1000
drilling 0.9*8mm 0.669 1000
drilling 0.9*8.5mm 0.711 1000
drilling 1*9mm 0.753 1000
drilling 1*9.5mm 0.820 1000
Diameter price quantity (dark blue sapphire)
4.0mm  0.391 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 1000
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 1000
Diameter price quantity (Yellow corundum)
4.0mm  0.413 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 1000
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 1000
Diameter price quantity (orange corundum)
4.0mm  0.413 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 1000
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 1000
Diameter price quantity (#46 corundum)
4.0mm  0.413 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 1000
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 1000
Diameter price quantity (white sapphire)
4.0mm 0.262 1000 (+ orientation hole)
orientation 0.25 1000
drilling 0.5*4mm  0.335 1000
Need Proforma Invoice,
Warm wishes,
Your AK

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear A. K
  Sorry to tell you that it is hard to do really.
  Please note that 1-3mm #5 ruby balls, we do them in bulk quantity. At least we do 500000-1000000pcs a time with large machine. And this is why the prices is cheaper.
  But all the balls above 3mm, the prices can't compare with the 1-3mm ruby balls. But you don't know this.
  You know, few people need 1000000pcs for 9mm or 9.5mm ruby balls?!
  The other problem you don't know is that you think all colors are the same producing costs. It is wrong.
  You don't consider the wastage during the produing and drilling at all.
  For example, if I waste 1 USD for #4 ruby in producing and drilling, it will waste 3.48 USD for the dark blue one.
  In order to do good quality and guarantee the quality, you should accept our prices. There are wastage during producing and drilling. Please know this.
  But no problem with the 1-3mm ruby #5 balls. Because we have high quality in stock and don't need to produce newly.
  But usually, 1-3mm ruby balls at such prices are for large quantity only, at least 50000 to 100000pcs each size. But you don't know this. haha
  In a word, I am sorry to tell you that your count is not right. It is impossible to do the large balls any more (above 3mm).
  Best regards!
  Pan yong qing

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear A. K
  Sorry to tell you that it is hard to do really.
  Please note that 1-3mm #5 ruby balls, we do them in bulk quantity. At least we do 500000-1000000pcs a time with large machine. And this is why the prices is cheaper.
  But all the balls above 3mm, the prices can't compare with the 1-3mm ruby balls. But you don't know this.
  You know, few people need 1000000pcs for 9mm or 9.5mm ruby balls?!
  The other problem you don't know is that you think all colors are the same producing costs. It is wrong.
  You don't consider the wastage during the produing and drilling at all.
  For example, if I waste 1 USD for #4 ruby in producing and drilling, it will waste 3.48 USD for the dark blue one.
  In order to do good quality and guarantee the quality, you should accept our prices. There are wastage during producing and drilling. Please know this.
  But no problem with the 1-3mm ruby #5 balls. Because we have high quality in stock and don't need to produce newly.
  But usually, 1-3mm ruby balls at such prices are for large quantity only, at least 50000 to 100000pcs each size. But you don't know this. haha
  In a word, I am sorry to tell you that your count is not right. It is impossible to do the large balls any more (above 3mm).
  Best regards!
  Pan yong qing

> But all the balls above 3mm, the prices can't compare with the 1-3mm ruby balls. But you don't know this.  You know, few people need 1000000pcs for 9mm or 9.5mm ruby balls?!
- You are right. I agree. I see Your price for ruby #5: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9759/158 … 9_orig.png
I know it's too low price. I ready increase in 2 times (and 100 000 pcs) in the order 3. I can't pay more in order 2 ( I haven't sold)

> The other problem you don't know is that you think all colors are the same producing costs. It is wrong.
  You don't consider the wastage during the produing and drilling at all.
  For example, if I waste 1 USD for #4 ruby in producing and drilling, it will waste 3.48 USD for the dark blue one.
  In order to do good quality and guarantee the quality, you should accept our prices. There are wastage during producing and drilling. Please know this.
- There were losses. I agree. But the losses are all colors of corundum. If the production technology is the same for different colors of balls, the ratio of the prices for different colors stored in the source material, and in the form of balls.
> But no problem with the 1-3mm ruby #5 balls. Because we have high quality in stock and don't need to produce newly.
  But usually, 1-3mm ruby balls at such prices are for large quantity only, at least 50000 to 100000pcs each size. But you don't know this. haha
- Can You try to drill ruby balls (5#) 3mm drill 0.4 mm? Along optical axis. I need foto 3mm drilling balls from You. And foto of process marked in polarity light. If OK, than may change 4mm to 3mm.
> In a word, I am sorry to tell you that your count is not right. It is impossible to do the large balls any more (above 3mm).
What is the minimum price You can make 2000 ruby (#5) balls 9.500, 9.497 ... (5 pcs each size) ?
Warm wishes,
Your AK

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear A. K
  Thank you very much for your reply.
  No problem with the #5 ruby balls from 1-3mm. We can guarantee the quality within 1 micron and good shine.
  But the 3.5-9.5mm ruby and other color corundum balls, we have to produce them newly and if the quantity is only 1000pcs each sizes or color, but with such low prices, it is really difficulty to do now.
  Wastage in producing can't be avoided at all.
  Yes, producing for #5 ruby and dark blue is the same.
  But you should know, if I lose 1USD in producing #5 ruby, I will lose at least 3.48 USD for dark blue.
  For example, if you do 3pcs of #5 ruby, and wastage is 1pcs. And if I also lose 1 pcs for dark blue, it equals I lose 3.48 pcs of #5 ruby balls. And if their produing costs is the same, I will have nothing and have to pay you for the loss.
  I have counted the reasonable and competitive prices for you before honestly, but you feel high.
  Now, I don't dare to do the ruby and other corundum balls above 3mm really now. Because I don't want to work hard and lose much money.
  I suggest you buy all the colors material by yourself. I only produce them for you. And I only need the producing fees.
  But your target producing fee is too low to accept really.
  If you hope to make high quality balls but with impossible low prices, it will be difficult to do at all.
  If any other companies can accpet your target prices, they will do rubbish quality for you and you will meet big problem and lose much much. I am sure this.
  Sorry, 3mm is too small to drill 0.4mm hole. It will break a lot. I can't burden such big loss.
  The producing is as: buy material--cut the material into cubes--make the cubes into rough balls--polish the balls--drill the balls--check the quality and tick out all the bad ones.
  Each step of the producing will appear wastages. Do you understand this?
  You think the total costs of a ball is: material costs+producing costs. It is wrong.
  Right count is: Total ball cost=material costs+ producing costs+ wastage costs.
  I don't know how to do now because you don't agree our prices.
  If you feel other color too rich, please give up all the other colors and only do #5 ruby balls of 9mm and 9.5mm. If you hope to do so many sizes with only 1000pcs each size, it will be very very inconvenient to produce.
  I hope to give you good quality and cooperate with you and your company in long term. And this is why I must insist my prices. If anybody agrees your target prices, he or she may do only one order for you and give you rubbish balls and rubbish hole and poor shine and you will hate him or her for a life!
  You are my friend and customer, I must tell you the things sincerely. I won't cheat any of your customer for ever. But I must insist my points such as reasonable prices, or the quality can't be guaranteed.
  Best regards!
  Pan yong qing

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

> Sorry, 3mm is too small to drill 0.4mm hole. It will break a lot. I can't burden such big loss.
- What hole diameter You may drill in 3mm ruby ball?

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Re: Letters for Pan yong qing / Письма для директора китайской фабрики

Dear  Pan yong qing,
My experience is that ruby is much more difficult to crack than a spinel. According to my forecast percentage of spoiled ruby balls will not exceed 10%. If my prediction is confirmed, then I'll cange 4 mm balls to 3 mm balls. So for me it is important to check what percentage of 3-mm balls messed up. Let's try. From this test will depend on the composition of the second order in the amount of about us $ 25,000.
In parallel, I'll tested the 8-mm ruby balls from factory 2 is priced at $1.17. If quality is OK, then let them make the balls, and You will be their guide and drilling. After the beginning of sales of my products I be able to order You have the balls to Your prices in large quantities. Order 3: 100 000 balls each size, the order of 4 to 1 000 000 etc.
You specified in the price list hole 0.5 mm $0.335
Such a bore diameter me very happy. Let's do an experiment with the drill diameter 0.5 mm. I work with drills 0.3 mm too.
Warm wishes,
Your AK